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	<title>Comments on: Things That Make You Go Hmmmm &#8211; VMware Sets Record Straight On Competition At VMworld</title>
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		<title>By: An Early VMworld 2009 Apology to my non technical Twitter and Facebook Friends &#124; VM /ETC</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Early VMworld 2009 Apology to my non technical Twitter and Facebook Friends &#124; VM /ETC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] come too, and amazingly enough allows them to peddle their virtualization alternatives. There is some tradition of spirited debate between vendors at this conference. Chances are there will be this year [...]</description>
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		<title>By: VMware Performance &#124; VMware: No Competition Ban at VMworld &#124; Tek-Tools</title>
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		<dc:creator>VMware Performance &#124; VMware: No Competition Ban at VMworld &#124; Tek-Tools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Things That Make You Go Hmmmm - VMware Sets Record Straight On &#8230; - Things That Make You Go Hmmmm - VMware Sets Record Straight On Competition At VMworld. In response to the stir created earlier today when Brian Madden interpreted new verbiage in the VMworld Sponsors and Exhibitors contract as a ban &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rbrambley</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbrambley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 21:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dracolith,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel that using legalese for all exhibitors and sponsors is actually&lt;br&gt;an easier approach for VMware and all when you consider the staff and&lt;br&gt;logistics required to approve hand out materials, t-shirts, booth&lt;br&gt;marketing, events, etc. Besides, VMware is also saying we trust all&lt;br&gt;our partners and exhibitors that way. Can you imagine the bad PR MS&lt;br&gt;would generate if VMware put special terms on just their contract at&lt;br&gt;VMworld?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Honestly, my take is that VMware is not trying to change anything&lt;br&gt;about VMworld for the competition, but they do want to be in a better&lt;br&gt;contractual scenario for any trashing. Of course VMware ultimately&lt;br&gt;deems what is trashing, but like I said to Doug, it&#039;s their party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dracolith,</p>
<p>I feel that using legalese for all exhibitors and sponsors is actually<br />an easier approach for VMware and all when you consider the staff and<br />logistics required to approve hand out materials, t-shirts, booth<br />marketing, events, etc. Besides, VMware is also saying we trust all<br />our partners and exhibitors that way. Can you imagine the bad PR MS<br />would generate if VMware put special terms on just their contract at<br />VMworld?</p>
<p>Honestly, my take is that VMware is not trying to change anything<br />about VMworld for the competition, but they do want to be in a better<br />contractual scenario for any trashing. Of course VMware ultimately<br />deems what is trashing, but like I said to Doug, it&#39;s their party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dracolith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dracolith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 20:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on VMware&#039;s past promise that VMworld would basically be THE virtualization conference, they shouldn&#039;t care all that much, it really just showed the childishness of who they&#039;re up against and makes VMware look even better..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The attendees of VMworld should know who MS is and why they&#039;re not an objective, reliable voice in trying to say anything about VMware or Hyper-V.&lt;br&gt;But yes,  MS deserve to get slapped.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They could have just imposed special sanctions against MS, before allowing them to sign up...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The anti-competitive clause doesn&#039;t say  &quot;you can&#039;t trash VMware&quot;;    in theory,  a competitor could still trash VMware as long as they don&#039;t mention a competing product.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are other simple precise ways to ban trashing than to simply say no competing products may be exhibited.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For instance, they can ban the practice of handing out any sort of materials without materials being approved by whoever&#039;s running the specific events.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No handing out leaflets or other items at meetings or in places other than your conference booth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No discouraging the purchase of any VMware product.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s pretty simple to impose a no-trashing policy.&lt;br&gt;I suspect either they didn&#039;t think about it too much, or they were trying to do a little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on VMware&#39;s past promise that VMworld would basically be THE virtualization conference, they shouldn&#39;t care all that much, it really just showed the childishness of who they&#39;re up against and makes VMware look even better..</p>
<p>The attendees of VMworld should know who MS is and why they&#39;re not an objective, reliable voice in trying to say anything about VMware or Hyper-V.<br />But yes,  MS deserve to get slapped.</p>
<p>They could have just imposed special sanctions against MS, before allowing them to sign up&#8230;</p>
<p>The anti-competitive clause doesn&#39;t say  &#8220;you can&#39;t trash VMware&#8221;;    in theory,  a competitor could still trash VMware as long as they don&#39;t mention a competing product&#8230;. </p>
<p>There are other simple precise ways to ban trashing than to simply say no competing products may be exhibited.</p>
<p>For instance, they can ban the practice of handing out any sort of materials without materials being approved by whoever&#39;s running the specific events.</p>
<p>No handing out leaflets or other items at meetings or in places other than your conference booth.</p>
<p>No discouraging the purchase of any VMware product.</p>
<p>It&#39;s pretty simple to impose a no-trashing policy.<br />I suspect either they didn&#39;t think about it too much, or they were trying to do a little more.</p>
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		<title>By: rbrambley</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbrambley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dracolith,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I feel that using legalese for all exhibitors and sponsors is actually&lt;br&gt;an easier approach for VMware and all when you consider the staff and&lt;br&gt;logistics required to approve hand out materials, t-shirts, booth&lt;br&gt;marketing, events, etc. Besides, VMware is also saying we trust all&lt;br&gt;our partners and exhibitors that way. Can you imagine the bad PR MS&lt;br&gt;would generate if VMware put special terms on just their contract at&lt;br&gt;VMworld?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Honestly, my take is that VMware is not trying to change anything&lt;br&gt;about VMworld for the competition, but they do want to be in a better&lt;br&gt;contractual scenario for any trashing. Of course VMware ultimately&lt;br&gt;deems what is trashing, but like I said to Doug, it&#039;s their party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dracolith,</p>
<p>I feel that using legalese for all exhibitors and sponsors is actually<br />an easier approach for VMware and all when you consider the staff and<br />logistics required to approve hand out materials, t-shirts, booth<br />marketing, events, etc. Besides, VMware is also saying we trust all<br />our partners and exhibitors that way. Can you imagine the bad PR MS<br />would generate if VMware put special terms on just their contract at<br />VMworld?</p>
<p>Honestly, my take is that VMware is not trying to change anything<br />about VMworld for the competition, but they do want to be in a better<br />contractual scenario for any trashing. Of course VMware ultimately<br />deems what is trashing, but like I said to Doug, it&#39;s their party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dracolith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dracolith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 14:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on VMware&#039;s past promise that VMworld would basically be THE virtualization conference, they shouldn&#039;t care all that much, it really just showed the childishness of who they&#039;re up against and makes VMware look even better..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The attendees of VMworld should know who MS is and why they&#039;re not an objective, reliable voice in trying to say anything about VMware or Hyper-V.&lt;br&gt;But yes,  MS deserve to get slapped.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They could have just imposed special sanctions against MS, before allowing them to sign up...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The anti-competitive clause doesn&#039;t say  &quot;you can&#039;t trash VMware&quot;;    in theory,  a competitor could still trash VMware as long as they don&#039;t mention a competing product.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are other simple precise ways to ban trashing than to simply say no competing products may be exhibited.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For instance, they can ban the practice of handing out any sort of materials without materials being approved by whoever&#039;s running the specific events.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No handing out leaflets or other items at meetings or in places other than your conference booth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No discouraging the purchase of any VMware product.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s pretty simple to impose a no-trashing policy.&lt;br&gt;I suspect either they didn&#039;t think about it too much, or they were trying to do a little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on VMware&#39;s past promise that VMworld would basically be THE virtualization conference, they shouldn&#39;t care all that much, it really just showed the childishness of who they&#39;re up against and makes VMware look even better..</p>
<p>The attendees of VMworld should know who MS is and why they&#39;re not an objective, reliable voice in trying to say anything about VMware or Hyper-V.<br />But yes,  MS deserve to get slapped.</p>
<p>They could have just imposed special sanctions against MS, before allowing them to sign up&#8230;</p>
<p>The anti-competitive clause doesn&#39;t say  &#8220;you can&#39;t trash VMware&#8221;;    in theory,  a competitor could still trash VMware as long as they don&#39;t mention a competing product&#8230;. </p>
<p>There are other simple precise ways to ban trashing than to simply say no competing products may be exhibited.</p>
<p>For instance, they can ban the practice of handing out any sort of materials without materials being approved by whoever&#39;s running the specific events.</p>
<p>No handing out leaflets or other items at meetings or in places other than your conference booth.</p>
<p>No discouraging the purchase of any VMware product.</p>
<p>It&#39;s pretty simple to impose a no-trashing policy.<br />I suspect either they didn&#39;t think about it too much, or they were trying to do a little more.</p>
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		<title>By: rbrambley</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbrambley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 23:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the vendor perspective. I understand the possibilities&lt;br&gt;Veeam and any other v12n vendor faces with VMware&#039;s new legal safety&lt;br&gt;net, but after all the sensationalism yesterday (yes, vmetc helped&lt;br&gt;spread that too, unfortunately) I&#039;ll take VMware for their word&lt;br&gt;(through Brian Madden) based on the policy of past VMworlds. If they&lt;br&gt;had real intent to ban (I have my doubts now) then the community&lt;br&gt;reaction hopefully slapped some sense back in them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Your point about VMware adding features that compete with the&lt;br&gt;ecosystem of vendors is a great one. VMware has obviously put&lt;br&gt;themselves in a position that has vendors, partners, and customers on&lt;br&gt;edge about the changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>Thanks for the vendor perspective. I understand the possibilities<br />Veeam and any other v12n vendor faces with VMware&#39;s new legal safety<br />net, but after all the sensationalism yesterday (yes, vmetc helped<br />spread that too, unfortunately) I&#39;ll take VMware for their word<br />(through Brian Madden) based on the policy of past VMworlds. If they<br />had real intent to ban (I have my doubts now) then the community<br />reaction hopefully slapped some sense back in them.</p>
<p>Your point about VMware adding features that compete with the<br />ecosystem of vendors is a great one. VMware has obviously put<br />themselves in a position that has vendors, partners, and customers on<br />edge about the changes.</p>
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		<title>By: vmdoug</title>
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		<dc:creator>vmdoug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the extreme example you provided above. It would be fine if that&#039;s exactly how it was worded, but it&#039;s not, it&#039;s very vague. With the current language Veeam may only be allowed to show the nworks products (maybe Monitor). All other products have a competing component from VMware. The only difference is that we didn&#039;t create products to compete with VMware, they created products to compete with us. Does that give us a legal loop-hole?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I completely understand the &quot;intent&quot; of the wording and I know all the arguments including yours Rich. I honestly don&#039;t think Veeam will be asked NOT to show Backup, Configurator, Reporter, Monitor, etc - but we COULD be asked not to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the extreme example you provided above. It would be fine if that&#39;s exactly how it was worded, but it&#39;s not, it&#39;s very vague. With the current language Veeam may only be allowed to show the nworks products (maybe Monitor). All other products have a competing component from VMware. The only difference is that we didn&#39;t create products to compete with VMware, they created products to compete with us. Does that give us a legal loop-hole?</p>
<p>I completely understand the &#8220;intent&#8221; of the wording and I know all the arguments including yours Rich. I honestly don&#39;t think Veeam will be asked NOT to show Backup, Configurator, Reporter, Monitor, etc &#8211; but we COULD be asked not to&#8230;</p>
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